delusional or supremely cynical. i like to think it's the second. >> bret: judith? >> i think he doesn't want to get in the way of the republican party, as it commits suicide. if you have a line and the line is it's been a decade that it took us to get into this mess, two unfunded wars, two unfunded tax cuts, i am starting to move things, turn them around. stick with the hopey-changey thing. i think that he wants to just -- >> bret: you think he is selling it well in this environment? >> i thought today, especially, was very, very effective. because even though he was on the defensive, he was relaxed and he also made excellent points about the need to invest in infrastructure. he talked about the middle class. he said i'm not anti-wall street. which he needed to do. coming from new york, up there, we think he's anti-wall street. >> bret: i've been in that position.